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More (much more!) about the Samsung Galaxy S5 – compared with the Nokia Lumia 1020

Here’s my second post about the Samsung Galaxy S5, which may as well be the best Samsung camera smartphone so far – not counting the S4 Zoom which was more like a compact camera with GSM functionality.

Before you are tempted to ask me: yes, I would like to compare it to the HTC One M8 as well, but I don’t have the review sample yet – and I don’t want to wait for it either. Same goes for the Sony Xperia Z2 by the way.

In this post you’ll read some more about the S5 and you’ll find a few shots to compare it with the Nokia Lumia 1020 – generally excepted as the best smartphone camera of our time.

Camera Interface
Let me start by writing something about the new camera interface Samsung put in the new Galaxy S5. First of all, it’s fast – starting it up (just by swyping the camera icon on your locked screen) is a lot faster than starting up the Nokia Lumia 1020, but then again: which smartphone camera isn’t.

It’s something we just have to learn to live with since we appreciate the results that are really worth waiting for. But for fast snapshops or a fast sequence of shots, the Lumia 1020 simply isn’t the best smartphone in town and we know it.

Second, Samsung’s camera user interface is much improved, as you can see in the screenshot below – this is what you reach in one click once you’re in the camera module. You see it’s quite easy to change a lot of different settings, and if you’d like a icon somewhere else you can just drag it there.

Also note you get the maximum resolution of 16MP in 16:9 aspect ratio (5312 x 2988), which I haven’t sseen on any other smartphone before (usually, you’ll need 4:3 to get maximum result). And you’ll see ISO is not highlighted: you will have to turn Picture Stabilization off before you can manually change the ISO settings.

Screenshot Galaxy S5

HDR
Then of course, the remarkable way Samsung implemented HDR . Again, I’ve never seen the result you may expect from HDR in the screen before even capturing the shot. I really wonder how Samsung does stuff like that, but it works like a charm. I posted about it earlier, here’s another example.

Something in the foreground of a pretty light sky is bound to become dark, as you can see in the first shot.

Samsung Galaxy S5 no HDR 2

Using HDR, it sudddenly is like someone hit the light button.

Samsung Galaxy S5 HDR 2

Again, at least as far as I can tell, this is not done with a combination of different shots – the way you usually realize a HDR result. How they do it, I don’t know. Like I wrote in my previous post, although the effect is not as “natural”, I’m quite sure this will become a very popular feature of the Samsung Galaxy S5.

Since I’m into comparing stuff, this is what I got from the HDR camera app on the Nokia Lumia 1020

Nokia Lumia 1020 HDR 1And you can always overdo it if you’d like to, of course – for artistic reasons, alhough I must say many people object to this kind of use of HDR.

Nokia Lumia 1020 HDR 2

It’s good to know however, that this is possible on the Lumia 1020 application since you actually have three shots to work with: you can’t change the HDR result you get from the Samsung Galaxy S5.

Most people probably don’t even want to, and if so, there must be plenty of HDR apps for Android as well – they probably won’t be as fast as on the S5 however, and you won’t see the result before capturing the shot.

Selective Focus
Another remarkable thing about the Galaxy S5 is that it includes the possibiliy to change the perspective in the shot – so if you use that function, you’ll be able to “refocus”. This is limited to the foreground and the background only, it doesn’t offer more “points of focus” like Nokia Refocus does (I’m still very proud of my own example).

For some reason however, on the Galaxy S5, the end result is no less than >20MB large! That means that Samsung doesn’t compress the result after saving the “focus” you’d like to share. But it also means that sharing the result is pretty tough for your data consumption :-)

Here’s a resized version of one of my attempts, I’ve uploaded the original version on Flickr (you have been warned, it’s a >20MB download but I think you’ll really like the result – in fact I think it’s somewhat sensational).

Samsung Refocus 1 640 x 360

To show exactly how much detail you will find in this shot once you download the >20MP original, here’s a (resized) 100% screenshot

Samsung Galaxy S5 Refocus 1 screenshot

So now we’ve come to the flowers, my favorite subject by far I guess. There’s much more to write about the Samsung Galaxy S5 (like it’s water resistant, something I’ve been waiting for to find in Lumia devices quite some time ago to be honest), but I’d like to share and compare some results from both the Galaxy S5 as the Lumia 1020 before this post gets way too long.

Flower comparison
Here we go, back to my mother’s garden. First: the famous Dutch tulips, in the bright morning sun :-) Since the Galaxy S5 is the subject of this post, you’ll see the results from that smartphone first

3 Galaxy S5 - red tulips in the sun

3 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Red tulips in the sunWell, in general it seems the Samsung knows how to deal with the sunlight better – the shot is less “hazy”.

I made 100% screenshots of all three (!) results: the 5MP from the Lumia 1020, the 16MP from the Galaxy S5 and the high-res result from the Lumia 1020. I’ll share the crops from small to large resolution (so from 5MP up to 34MP)

3 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Red tulips in the sun

3 Galaxy S5 - red tulips in the sun

3 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Pro__highres

It just seems the Samsung got more lucky with dealing with the incoming light. But as you can see, details are also very  decent coming from the Galaxy S5.

Next up, a few charming small purple flowers I don’t know the name of (sorry). Again, Galaxy S5 first, Lumia 1020 second.

2 Galaxy S5 - Purple lit tle flowers

2 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Little purple flowers

Both look good I must say this time! Just a slight difference in color. Let’s have a look at the screenshots again, from 5MP, 16MP and 34MP.

2 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Little purple flowers

2 Galaxy S5 - Purple little flowers

2 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Little purple flowers Pro__highres

Again, I must say the Samsung Galaxy S5 is doing a very impressive job… You know I can be extremely critical in pixel peeping, but in this case I have to rely on you I guess, to see what would be the “best” result.

More flowers, some sensational yellow tulips. The Samsung Galaxy S 5 gave me quite a bit darker result in this case, which most likely has to do with the light at the time I took the shot. It was a windy day, so a few trees could have been casting their shadow without me noticing it. Moreover, the flowers were moving while I took the shots, but they are too nice to discard in my opinion.

4 Galaxy S5 - yellow tulips

4 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Yellow tulips

As I said, it’s quite dark from the Samsung I’d say, but how about the screenshots?

4 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Yellow tulips

4 Galaxy S5 - yellow tulips

4 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Yellow tulips Pro__highres

Difference in light, a slight difference in sharpness as well – most likely due to the wind – but marginal differences I’d say, and quite impressive results from both smartphones!

I have one more flower to compare for you: the classic dandelion.

Samsung Galaxy S5 - Dandelion

Nokia Lumia 1020 - Dandelion

Still a windy day, so not easy to capture both the exact same way. But still, again I’m impressed with the Samsung Galaxy S5 – contrast is very good in this shot as well I must say…

What about the screenshots? Again, you’ll see them in the order of 5MP, 16MP and 34MP.

Nokia Lumia 1020 - Dandelion

Samsung Galaxy S5 - Dandelion

Nokia Lumia 1020 - Dandelion Pro__highres

Well, it’s up to you I guess. I really love the result I got from the Lumia 1020, but the detail in the Samsung Galaxy S5 is stunning too. In fact it’s sharper even, but keep in mind the object (the dandelion) was a moving target – the Samsung may have been a bit more lucky this time.

Shall we do one more? Here’s a wheelbarrow resting on its back for a long time… – S5 first, Lumia 1020 second.

5 Galaxy S5 - Resting wheelbarrow

5 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Resting Wheelbarrow

And the screenshots in the order you must know by now

5 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Resting Wheelbarrow

5 Galaxy S5 - Resting wheelbarrow

5 Nokia Lumia 1020 - Resting Wheelbarrow Pro__highres

Well… what can I say. In how the Galaxy S5 captures this scene, I see some rougness in the edges of the leaves (pixelation). But the Galaxy’s sensor does seem to cope with the contrast better – the wheel of the barrow is a bit less “burnt” than with the Lumia 1020.

All settings were on auto on both devices. No doubt the Lumia 1020 can give you far better results offering Raw .DNG (something Google has promised to bring to the Nexus device, but I haven’t heard about it for a long time).

We already know the HTC One M8 probably doesn’t stand a chance in this league, but I’m still looking forward to test it nevertheless. And I’m looking forward to see how the new Xperia Z2 will perform in shots like these even more.

But so far I have never seen any Android camera come this close to – or (to be completely honest) even surpass – Nokia’s PureView technology. You’ll find all original shots from this post on Flickr. Please have a look at those and tell me what you think.

I’m still not done testing of course, but after this comparison I must admit I’m really impressed with what Samsung has been doing with the camera of the new Galaxy S5. In fact, I have the impression it’s the first real contender since I started the PureViewClub. Coming from me, that’s a compliment :-)

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75 Responses

  1. keithlum

    hey,man. u should send your lumia 1020 to nokia care to fix the camera,my 1020 can do better jobs than yours.^^

  2. Harry W

    Nokia better come out with something better soon, otherwise the advantage of having the ‘best camera’ on a phone will be nullified by the competitors soon. When I look at the HDR implementation on the Samsung S5, i believe that’s quite a significant leap forward. The reality is that most photos on a phone are taken in the hand and not on a tripod, so the HDR ability on the S5 IMHO is an improvement compared to the Nokia 1020 in practical and real world use. Samsung has continued to pack more punch in the Galaxy range of phones, the S5 with it’s fingerprint scanner aimed to nullify the advantage of the iPhone and the water resistant capability aims to nullify the advantage of the Sony Z range. Add in all the features of the S5, such as removable battery, expandable memory, makes it quite a ‘complete’ package in one.
    I do like Nokia and do hope Microsoft will release a successor to the 1020 this year, but they got to think of putting a killer package together. There are pockets of brilliance in the Lumia range, but it’s been selective with each phone having some great features, but not one phone incorporating the lot. I understand it is a strategy not to put all the good features in the one phone, as this will provide room for future upgrades and ‘improvements’, which ensures people will come back year after year to upgrade, but the path taken by Nokia/Microsoft has been too slow. After owning the Swiss army knife of phones, the Nokia 808, I don’t want to go ‘backwards’ with no expandable memory, no removable battery, which is a path Apple has taken and can afford to take given their market share, but it is something Microsoft cannot afford to take at the moment. You can even argue Apple is better too, because Apple at least still sell the iPhone to anyone with 64gb capacity if you are willing to pay more. However, you cannot purchase more memory on the flagship Nokia 1020, which is limited to one size of 32gb (unless you signed up overseas on the Telefonica exclusive deal with the 64gb, a deal which still puzzles me as to the decision making at Nokia)

  3. […] “selective focus” option the Galaxy S5 will give you a >20MB file (read about it in this earlier post). Also, I’ve been impressed with the way it shows you what HDR does to your shot before […]

  4. Dominick

    Agree with ppl like Cod3rror, nikhil joshi & mario that the 808 still holds key interest on this site and we would like to see more comparison between newer devices and 808. The 808 being the oldest phone doesn’t make it less relevant to this site because this site is about Nokia Pureview technology which is best seen on the 808 producing the best results. Marc, please don’t disappoint your fans here!

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      I’ll see what I can do. Please keep in mind the Nokia 808 PureView was already absent during the Mobile World Congress in 2013. Worse even: the concepts “PureView” and “ZoomReinvented” were completely absent during the MWC this year. Looks like it’s only sites like this and All About Symbian that are keeping the myth alive, since Nokia isn’t really trying. So who’s disappointing who?

      Again: only the owners of the 808 care about how good it is, the rest of the world doesn’t. And if I dare to suggest the Lumia 1020 might actually be better for several reasons, this club tends to be too small. I simply don’t want to be a bartender in a Mausoleum. But I’ll see what I can do :-)

      • Mario

        As we can see the the 1020 was never far ahead of the competition. Photos shot with the Iphone 5S, Note3 and the S5 looking often better and more natural.
        There was never a myth for the 1020 because it deserved none.
        The BSI Sensor is shitty, WP a OS for Hockeymoms, the Battery a joke, the colour production worse than what Iphone 3 produced.
        The OIS is the one and only thing which speaks for the Lumia.

        The Gurus at Nokia like Damian Dinning left and will not coming back.

        Nokia is dead. Whats left is just the name and the awesome 808 which was a milestone and end of an era.

        • Marc @PureViewClub

          Even Damian Dinning has shared his great enthusiasm for the 1020 here. Nokia leaving Symbian had nothing to do with Damian leaving Nokia by the way. WP an OS for hockeymoms is a ridiculous statement, I might add. But the 808 was no doubt indeed a milestone and the end of an era. Symbian left with a blast so to say. If you want to put up a virtual landmark for the 808 PureView, you are free to start you’re own site by the way and take your anger there. I don’t see what it adds to the discussion here to be honest.

        • bigs

          Very interesting Mario, I too agree the 1020′s BSI sensor, although “more sensitive” (ie less noise) than the older FSI sensor in the 808, has it’s shortfalls, which this new Isocell technology is meant to resolve.

          Imagine a 41MP sensor with Isocell technology with pureview oversampling. Would this be the ultimate combination?

  5. mike

    Very nice comparisons Marc!!! And I really liked those flowers, too!!! :)

    When the “King” Nokia 808 launched, it didn’t have any opponent at all… Apple said it had a pretty nice 5 MP camera, and millions of people bought that iphone!! Samsung said it had a superb camera of 8 MP and many people bought it too (I think it was S3). Then Nokia came out (like Chuck Norris!) with a huge sensor and 41,5 MP camera!!! It was piece of cake in 2012 for Nokia to win the battle of mobile photography…

    Now, although the rival sensors are still smaller than the Nokia N8′s, they are getting better and better software and more MPs… They may even reach some time the 40 MP with those tiny sensors but with evolved algorithms. So the question is Software or Hardware?

    I think that rivals are much closer to the “king” 808 and the “prince” lumia 1020, than they used to be 2 years ago, so Microsoft should update the software and/or release a successor of both 808 and lumia 1020. Maybe a lumia 1030 to complete the lumia 30′ series? I really hope for that!!! That could send my nokia 808 to retirement! :D

  6. buxz777

    hi there , great website by the way been reading for ages now :-)

    just to let you know the s5 like many other phones will produce great shots in the day time , even the s4 came quite close to the 808 in the right conditions if you remember steves article over at aas

    however I have seen the night time shots coming from the s5 and this is where the photos turn to oil paintings , detail lost , movement blurred etc etc

    it is a great phone with lots of power and some great features like instant hdr , but it is still lacking in terms of

    #ois
    #oversamplinhg
    #smaller sensor ….. even though they did increase the size
    #no xenon flash
    #poor quality mics for gigs and concerts and loud environments
    #over sharpening images in the jpeg process

    there is no doubt it produces some great shots in daylight but in grey skys , indoor environments , basic poor lighting the images will suffer

    its a shame to see Samsung skimp on things like ois etc but I spose they have to save something for the s5 zoom or whatever it is due on the 29th of this month ;-)

    great comparison work and website though mate , always a pleasure to read with a nice cup of tea ;-)

    big smiles from the uk

    ps
    thanks for re-tweeting some of my images ive sent you , really appreciate it ;-)

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Good points, no doubt. Still didn’t have enough time to get some good shots in low light to compare. Wanted to try this evening, but then updating the 1520 to WP 8.1 suddenly asked for my attention. Might try to get a few shots before going to sleep.

  7. Jay Ace

    You guys are a bunch of whining lil… seriously give props where it’s due. Some shots samsung does straigtup look better. With less halo and more accurate colors. And lets not talk about the actual phone itself where the Galaxy is lightyears ahead.

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Sure hope you’re not referring to me :-)

      • Steve

        He’s probably referring to me and in answer to the color comment no one said the color from the s5 wasn’t good. I wasn’t there when Mark took the photos but the 1020 photos appear more natural the s5 photos have a unnatural level of contrast which may be desirable artisticly but the better camera is the one that shoots photo’s the closest to what you see. I think some people prefer the stronger contrast curve that the s5 applies which is a personal preference and can be added to any photo in post if desired later. What can’t be undone is the heavy noise reduction seen in all the s5 photos.

  8. usdaorganic

    When the sun is shining a lot of phones can come close to the 1020.. even the Sony Z2/Z1, note 3, etc.

    Its when the conditions are not ideal the 1020′ sensor will shine.

    And yet again, the DSP in the 1020 is too weak for that camera module.. if it was a Snap 800 it would be way better.

    The 808 is in a league of its own.

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Well, maybe they can come close, but not this close – let alone get even better results – I think I’ve shown that in ealier comparisons. I didn’t test the Xperia Z2 yet by the way, still looking forward to that as well.

  9. Richard Shepherd

    “also no-one buys the 808 PureView anymore”
    I’m honestly not playing devil’s advocate, but a family member just bought a new white 808 Pureview for approx £300 from amazon UK. Why? well they don’t want to spend £600 on a new handset or have a £35-£42 per month 2 Year contract and finally, the 41 MP JPGs are frankly unbeatable :) (as we all know)
    I just want people to know you can still get them….

    As for the hoo haa about this S5, surely you would have thought that one of the many multinational multi-billion pound corporations would have by now just thrown enough money at the problem and come up with a camrea to beat NOKIA, but they haven’t. It’s quite remarkable that this S5 may be the closest they have come but still doesn’t really beat the 808 or 1020 IMHO. Bear in mind too as Marc says the 808 is practically a HOLY Relic and the 1020 is almost a year old ( nearly?). I imagine that somewhere in Finland, work, research will be going on and within less than a year there will be another flagship cameraphone (even if it has a Microsoft Brand, it will still be the same talented designers & engineers). I wonder what they will produce? I wonder if the competition will ever catch up or exceed the camera quality?

    To be honest I am impressed by the S5 HDR on phone processing. It’s just very convenient. I think I would love to have the choice to do it on phone and with RAW post processing. Oh yeah, I can if I just buy that 1020 HDR app! :) Quick Batman, to the Windows store!

    Also thanks again to Marc for the comparison, my family look to me to advise what is the best purchase for their needs so you’re still keeping me appraised of all the current choices!

    • civichief

      Really an 808 for 300 Pound?
      You get The 1020 for that money.

      • Richard Shepherd

        yeah, they don’t care too much for millions of apps, also 808 has the memory slot so they want to stick a 64gb card in there giving 80gb storage (as I did) compared to 32gb 1020 standard. It’s all about that giant sensor to be honest….they will be retiring an old digital compact. I just had a look on uk amazon to see a 1020 for £350 but thats £50 more for less potential total storage. I realise everyone will make their choices based on overall phone & apps etc but if you want the pure heavy grunt of that big sensor, accept no substitute !

        • Marc @PureViewClub

          I understand you can still by the 808 through sites like Amazon in some countries. I can even buy a few 2nd hand if I’d want to – great price too. But there are too many countries where it’s simply impossible to buy one at all – in some countries it even was impossible to buy one when it was launched.

          • bigs

            the Nokia 808 was only sold to a very small niche market. Not sure why Nokia did not promote it more when it was launched, maybe they thought of it as a prototype predecessor as Symbian sales was already starting to wane

            • They are still afraid that people find out that the Nokia 808 PureView Pro can do better and many more features and utilities than the potato products that followed.

              Mirroring tethered to a USB and using an app? HILARIOUS!

              Try microHDMI, 3.5mm AV out jack and DLNA, will ya?

              Welcome to the future!

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Thanks Richard, I´m planning to keep everyone updated about the best smartphone cameras in the market.

  10. steve

    I think this test puts the s5 camera in the best light possible the s5 tends towards heavy noise reduction. and loss of detail which are not as noticeable in plant and flower pictures. I still think the 1020 photos are far superior. The s5 just has a smeared look from the heavy noise reduction I could never live with. Thank for the comparison Mark Its nice to see the 1020 still has no competition.

  11. Massis

    Nice comparison.

    The “turn the light on” effect of the HDR option on the S5 can be achieved, and a lot more, by the use of RAW on the 1020. Of course, RAW editing requires a PC or tablet. But by pushing the shadows and reducing the highlights, you can discover more details than in the JPG.

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Yes Massis, of course the raw .DNG format offers way more possibilities. This is about what you can achieve with one click on a smartphone :-)

    • mirco

      Yes and no. The DNGs of the 1020 allow it to recover quite some details from the shadows but there is almost no headroom in the highlights. The dynamic range of the 1020 (or 808) is one of its weakest spots… of course, not so much in comparison to other smartphones with simillar pixel sizes but in comparison to a little bit better dedicated cameras for sure.

      I would never buy a Galaxy but I acknowledge that both the new HDR mode and the phase detection autofocus are well thought of. These are two spots where Nokia doesn’t excel.

      • steve

        Like most things samsung dose I think the hdr is just an almost useless gimmick. The 1020′s photos are already higher dynamic range then the hdr on the s5. So if you own the 1020 you just shoot great photos and if you want hdr process the Raw dmg file on your pc and the results will be much better. True you can’t share an hdr photo straight from the 1020 but that could change with a camera update from nokia.

  12. Omer

    Please do a low light shootout too – The S5 is fantastic in good light but it apparently gets badly shown up in low light/indoors.

  13. Akash Kinarkar

    Hello Sir,
    This is Akash Kinarkar and I’m from Delhi(India). I’m great fan of Nokia Flagships (specially Lumia 1020) and the reason is just because of its huge and beautiful camera. As far as let me tell you I’m so keen to buy it but I just wanna ask U one single thing after seeing the results in your comparisons between Lumia 1020 and Galaxy S5..

    Should I buy Galaxy S5 as its result are also good in mobile photography with such a great specs or should I wait a bit long hoping there would something will coming out with a fusion of (Lumia 1020-Lumia Icon/930). Because in India Lumia 1020 and Galaxy S5 are at almost same price so i’m so thinking about it..

    Hope will get help from your side..
    LOVE ALOT LUMIA PUREVIEWCLUB..

    • MF

      Akash,

      One important fact that is very commonly overlooked in all these comparisons is the difference in focal range. The 1020 is similar to a wide angle lens with 3x zoom, whereas the S5 will have less flexibility to crop. What this means is that the 1020 will be able to have a wider view (good for landscapes), as well as zooming in closer.

      Another key difference is that the 1020 should be able to take much better lowlight images due to “physics”, as Steve Litchfield from AAWP/AAS likes to say.

      Despite not having the latest specs, the 1020 is very smooth overall, and for the most part you won’t feel any lag (with exception of the camera).

      Here’s how I would approach this:
      1. Pure image quality – 1020
      2. Being able to capture a wider image that you can still zoom in later – 1020
      3. Video stabilization – 1020
      4. Lowlight shots – 1020
      5. Camera speed (startup and shot-to-shot) – S5 (or many other cameras)
      6. Refocusing – 1020
      7. On-phone HDR – S5
      8. Theoretically the 1020 should be able to take better single exposure HDR by processing from RAW but for now this requires post processing.

      • Akash Kinarkar

        MF,

        I accept that Sir what you told me and guide me for the Lumia 1020 and I LOVE LUMIA 1020′s PHOTOGRAPHY but the thing is that, I’m just only asking one single thing that should I wait for a new flagship camera smartphone from Nokia because now a days Nokia is coming out with some really really great specs with all new Windows Phone 8.1 updates. Nokia Lumia Icon(930) is a kind of mini version of Lumia 1520 which is having a same pureview technology with the support of 20MP Carl Ziess camera and such great hardware specs under the hood (32GB Internal Memory, 2GB RAM, Qualcomm Snapdragon 800 Quad-Core Processor clocked at 2.2Ghz with Adreno 330 GPU, and the best part FULL HD SCREEN-1920×1080)

        Hope to see Lumia 1020 with these same specs too with the same POWERFUL HUGE AND SUPER AWESOME CAMERA WITH ALL NEW PUREVIEW TECHNOLOGY – 41MP PUREVIEW CARL ZIESS CAMERA…..!!

        • Marc @PureViewClub

          Keep in mind the Lumia 1020 will be updated to WP 8.1 as well, still have the 41MP camera sensor and the same 32GB storage as the Lumia 930.

          Other than that, the Lumia 930 has better specs RAM, screen and processor wise, but it will have a smaller camera sensor (still offering raw .DNG though).

          Maybe you should wait what a comparison between the 1020 and 930 will bring, but it will be essentially the same as a comparison between the 1020 and 1520, which I have done in this post a few months ago http://pureviewclub.com/2013/19245

          Here you’ll find two more post that might help you make your decision:
          http://pureviewclub.com/2014/20405
          http://pureviewclub.com/2014/21698

          I don’t have any serious hands-on experience with the Nokia Lumia 930 yet…

          • Akash Kinarkar

            Thank you so much Sir.. HELPED ME MORE THAN ALOT..
            NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS.. WILL CHOOSE “NOKIA LUMIA 1020″.. \m/\m/..

            LOVE ALOT LUMIA PUREVIEWCLUB..

            • Marc @PureViewClub

              Thank you Akash, I hope you will enjoy your Lumia 1020 once you have it. Next choice will be which color :-)

        • MF

          Akash,

          If your concern is about new flagship, new specs, WP8.1, etc, my answer sort of alluded to that. From my personal experience, the 1020 does not feel lacking in most aspects but an updated processor should improve the camera speed. The 1020 is upgradable to WP8.1, I don’t think any phone is ever “future-proof”, but then even the 520 with much lower spec is upgradable to 8.1. If photography is your thing, go for it. If you can wait, well, you always can wait…

      • Akash Kinarkar

        MF,
        Thank You so much for your support and guidance for Nokia Lumia 1020 and I hope you got my point what I’m trying to make you and Sir MARC to understand.

        Hope will get help from your side..
        LOVE ALOT LUMIA PUREVIEWCLUB..

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Hello mr. Kinarkar,

      As far as over all camera quality is concerned, it’s way too early to advise against the Nokia Lumia 1020.

      Yes, I was surprised – as many appear to be – by these results, but most of them have been made outside in very bright circumstances that are subject to change nevertheless, however slightly (wind, clouds). In other words: this is not a labtest – I always like to compare smartphones in real life situations, but it has its disadvantages as well.

      The Galaxy S5 has done a great job in quite oustanding light conditions. I will have to do more tests, in different conditions. Low light conditions, for one thing, something where Samsung´s devices haven´t excelled so far, to put it mildly. And I will have to check what the flash does, how it copes with moving objects, stuff like that.

      There still is a lot to be said for the Nokia Lumia 1020, of course – just check out MF’s reaction above. There are so many more advantages when you look at focal range, the “Zoom Reinvented” concept, very good low light photography due to Optical Image Stabilization.

      No doubt, the Nokia Lumia 1020 is the most dedicated *camera* smartphone. It’s just quite remarkable that a high-end “allrounder” has been performing so well in the first round. We’ll just have to wait and see what the next rounds will bring. It will take time, however, I hope you’ll be patient :-)

      Thank you for your love for the PureViewClub, much appreciated.

      • Akash Kinarkar

        Thank You so much for your response Sir,
        I appreciate your site a lot more than I ever loved any other mobile photography website/blog site. And I accept that Lumia 1020 is the best, means THE BEAST CAMERA SMARTPHONE EVER…!! I ALWAYS LOVED IT, but all I just wanna know is just only one thing that as you are always connected with Nokia insider’s. I just wanna make it sure that.. Is Nokia’s gonna launch any new flagship with the fusion of Nokia Lumia 1020/Icon(930)….?? Because Lumia 1020 is somewhere is an upgrade version of Lumia 920/PureView 808. 41MP PureView Camera comes out from PureView 808 and other Windows software and hardware comes out from Lumia 920 (41MP CAMERA, 2GB RAM, Windows 8) ALL NEW EXPERIANCE..

        And I’m so waiting for the upcoming comparisons also. I know NOKIA LUMIA 1020 will beat every other flagship out there in Camera category for sure and I guarantee it.

        LOVE ALOT LUMIA PUREVIEWCLUB

        • Marc @PureViewClub

          Hi Mr. Kinarkar,

          My contacts with “Nokia insiders” are limited I’m afraid. I have no knowledge of any other flagships coming after the Lumia 930. But there aren’t any rumours either, so I must admit I’m not expecting any major new photography flagship from Nokia anywhere soon. Maybe by the end of this year? Let’s hope so – only time will tell. I simply don’t know, I’m sorry.

  14. NokiaBoy

    What’s the app for HDR shot in the nokia Lumia..??? :)

  15. jot3000

    Have to agree with mogster on this one,generally speaking most mid to high end smartphones can take very very good pictures outdoors,good conditions,still subject matter so it doesn’t surprise me the s5 is impressing,however indoors,lowlight,moving subject matter i imagine it will be a different matter and id bet my n8 would still wipe the floor with most androids in non optimum settings!whenever i go clubbing my mates cannot understand how come my pictures look pin sharp and crispy in a dark club where everyone is moving,compared to there hazy blur filled examples from flagship androids and iPhones,you cannot compensate for big optics and a xenon flash!

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      I think I’ve shown many time that even high end smartphones can’t come close to the Nokia’s PureView technology in the Lumia 1020, not even in very good light conditions… So it did surprise me the S5 has been performing this well. Will do more tests in due time, please be patient :-)

  16. egg

    I really like Samsung hdr results. They simply add Ev depth instead of increasing colour and sharpness intensity. Its really impressive that it is made in one shot. In my nex camera I have DRO mode – from description I remember that selectively for darker parts of photo longer exposure time/ higher iso is used.

  17. mogster

    The key test for me is indoor, poor light, moving objects. If it can compete with 1020 and 808 in that dept I will be seriously impressed!

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Hi mogster, I will try some indoor, poor light, moving objects (and flash) soon I hope. Most of my comparisons have been done in the best possible light by the way – it simply is what I like most and what I find “fairest” moreover. As far as “moving objects” are concerned, that usually depends on “camera speed” as well, and we already know the S5 will win in that respect anyway…

      • bigs

        yes please, do some low light comparisons. This is usually where the Samsung smart phones just about always fall over. The 1020′s over sampling will come into play nicely here, although it would be nice if there was an 8mp oversampling option for the 1020.

        Maybe if you have time maybe throw in an 808 8mp low light shot comparison into the mix.

        • Marc @PureViewClub

          Yes, will do more low light comparisons. Not sure if I will throw in the 808 as well this time. Depends on the time I appear to have. I’m on a very tight schedule lately.

          • bigs

            no worries, just the 808 has a proper 8mp oversampling setting, whereas the 1020 only does 5mp, which does put it at a slight disadvantage against these higher megapixel native output Android devices.

  18. nikhil

    Why don’t u put up s5 against the king 808 just for comparison sake Marc. M sure 808 will still come on top and will stay on top of the game for some time to come.

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Because my friend, not only is my time limited, also no-one buys the 808 PureView anymore.

      • Mario

        Who cares? Nobody buys Nokia anyway these days.
        The 808 is still the first to beat in camera section not the 1020.

        I guess most visitors of your site still own the pureview original.

        Make a poll and ask if the 808 is still relevant to the guests of your site.

        • Ztuka

          808 is the leading camera phone and I am back on 808 after a couple of months on 1020. Better overall in every in 2 of 3 aspects when it comes to the camera and sound recording…

          • MF

            This topic has been beaten to death and I’m tired of repeating myself, so just let it rest OK?

          • Frankie Bloise

            Same here, I sold my Lumia 1020 and went back to the 808. The 1020 camera is overrated.

        • MF

          You hear the man, he’s not running a museum ok?

          • Navvarr

            I wouldn’t be registered here or log in if there wasn’t any 808 coverage- sure, the 808 is older than the 1020 but lets face it, to imply its a museum piece is a bit OTT.

            My 808 is still in warranty at the moment!!

            Still relevant.

            • Steve

              I posted two pictures I took on my lunch brake from work at the at&t store from the 808 and galaxy s5. https://www.flickr.com/photos/90056083@N07/13869704283/in/photostream/

            • Mario

              Interesting shots. The S5 seems more wide than the 808. Is it possible to change the iso settings on the S5? Because its set to iso 50 and the 808 is set at 100.

              Both shots looks good. Thanks for sharing.

            • bigs

              Nice post Steve. It seems quite clear here that the S5 image is doing very well for a 16Mp sensor. Even with the new Icocell technology, noise reduction is still being applied, and has destroyed some of the fine details. The 808′s rather unprocessed look is more natural, but has visible noise which can be removed via post process computer noise reduction if needed.

              Mario, to get optimal results from the S5, the aspect ratio has to be 16:9, whereas on the 808, it has a mult aspect ratio, which has to compromise a little to get good resolutions in both 16:9 and 4:3.

              The 808′s optimum ISO is ISO 80, as that is when the full dynamic range of the sensor can be used. ISO 50 is a pushed ISO which will further reduce noise at the expense of dynamic range.

            • steve

              Yes Mario you can change the ISO on the s5 the 808 was set to 100 ISO and the s5 was on auto. The exposure time on the s5 was 1/30th while the 808 was 1/60th so you see its not a fair comparison but as you can see the 808 resolves quite a bit more detail and has a wider dynamic range and none of the ridiculous noise reduction that samsung insists on applying to there photos. Im sure the 808 would have less noise if I had set the ISO to 50. The field of view on the 808 is roughly 28mm and the s5 is the same or very close.

      • nikhil joshi

        i am surprised ur ignoring nokia 808 the phone which made this site and pureview popular. We are not endorsing nokia here marc . Many here have nokia 808 and it beats 1020 hands down. Most of us respect 808 for the benchmark it has set in mobile photography . I can still bet 808 will beat this sony xperia hands down

        • RIC

          Maybe Microsoft is paying. They dont want to hear of the mighty 808 anymore.

          • Marc @PureViewClub

            Excuse me? No-one is paying me for what I’m doing here. Neither Microsoft, nor Nokia nor Samsung have been sponsoring the PureViewClub in the past two years.

            And Nikhil, I’m not ignoring the Nokia 808 PureView. I know what it can do. But if I want this site to be relevant, there simply is not much point to keep sharing how “allmighty” it is – we all KNOW it is. And we know it’s running on Symbian and WE don’t care.

            People who own the Nokia 808 PureView already do not need proof of that per se – other than to make them feel good maybe, which they already do.

            So I can keep singing the same old song, but people will get bored with it. What do you think they’ll say when I would “prove” the Nokia 808 PureView is still better than the Galaxy S5? They’ll get the Galaxy S5 anyway, since they can’t buy the 808 PureView anywhere – if they would consider using Symbian ever again.

            So simply put: there is not urgency in there. Not in my opinion at least. That doesn’t mean I’m ignoring the 808 PureView. Still use it, still love it, but it’s becoming a relic. Live with it as long as it lasts.

            • nikhil

              First of all let me make this perfectly clear no one sponsors Marc or his site and we must all appreciate what he is doing, I have been a regular visitor form day 1 and contributed to many posts on this site.

              As far as 808 goes Marc this question will arise till there is a smartphone which beats the king no matter how old the device is is but I understand u might not be able to get that much time..

              What I recommended is thrown in 808 whenever u get a new device to play with and later on u can exclude 808 from most of ur tests and I am really upset by a site which crowned the Sony xperia as the no 1 cameraphone and I can’t really wait for Sony xperia to go one on one with 808…

              U can exclude 808 from most of ur comparisons but there is no harm in comparing it once a new contender comes out like samsung galaxy S5 or Sony xperia

            • mario

              http://www.pictureupload.de/originals/pictures/140414124956_pw.jpg

              This Picture symbolize what the visitors of this site still interest.

    • Cod3rror

      I have to agree, Nokia 808 PureView is THE benchmark for the top cameraphone.

      1020, S5, One, 5S, Z2, fight against each other and then the winner moves up to challenge and lose to the mighty 808!

      808 is like Shao-Kahn of cameraphones.

  19. Daniel

    Well, Samsung did a really good job i admit, the colour-sharpness-light is realy balanced, but i dont know if its my idea, Samsung’s algorithms make a Little darker the object or nokia’s algorithms does, in both cases are pretty impressive, also i found the hdr effect better on the lumia 1020, but in the last picture, the light reflected on the wheelbarrow on the Samsung was better than lumia one, in both case, lumia 1020 offers better photographic tolos and editing, but Samsung wow, you are doing a very good job!

    • Frankie Bloise

      The only thing the 1020 offers is RAW. But it doesnt have a native HDR mode like the Galaxy S5. or not even a simple Video Editor.

      WP8 is a joke.

      • Massis

        I’m sorry Frankie, but requesting a “HDR” on device app is in itself a joke, or a gizmo for the least. I would never edit a HDR nor a RAW on device, as it requires a big screen to see what you’re doing.

        So I wouldn’t compare a “on device” HDR as the one delivered by Samsung or all these apps on WP8 or Symbian, with a HDR processed on a PC.

        Agreed for the video editor. But it’s not because there is no HDR option on the 1020 that WP8 or Nokia Imaging work are “jokes”. There’s no HDR option on the 808 and still, it’s a great cameraphone, isn’t it?

        So is the 1020 to my eyes, with the extra RAW option. The 808 JPG are so pure they can be edited almost like a RAW, but hey, with a RAW, you can access to a lot more (white balance correcting on a JPG is very limited).

        That being said, I agree with you on one point: by missing the “gadget” options that the instagram generation is requesting, Nokia are missing something.

        But from a photographer (amateur) point of view, I am very pleased with both my 808 and my 1020.

  20. Gareth James

    Fantastic comparisons so far! And oh what a joy it is to see that, at least on full auto, someone else is actually starting to take this camera photography thing seriously. Nothing moves the world of technology faster, and better, than a good bit of cut throat competition! :-D