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What Nokia PureView flagship to choose: the Lumia 1020 or 1520? Or still the 808 PureView?

What Nokia PureView flagship to choose: the Lumia 1020, the newest Lumia 1520? Or still: the 808 PureView? I’m getting the question more and more often these days – and boy it’s a pretty tough one to answer. Like so often in life, it all really depends on your personal situation and preferences.

So I’ll just share my thoughts here for whoever is pondering on the same issue. This has become a pretty long post, and to those who already know what they want or like what they have, there might be not much news to read in this post, but you might be willing to add a few suggestions of your own.

I’ll illustrate this post with some of the shots I got from all three devices, working with them over the past months or even years. Click on the shot to see the original on Flickr (or OneDrive). Like this shot very dear to me, captured on the first day I could actually use the Nokia 808 PureView I had been looking forward to so much.

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Nokia 808 PureView
The first PureView device (and flagship), the Nokia 808 PureView with its overwhelming 41MP camera is getting harder to get, although it has become pretty cheap now if you’d like to settle for a second hand device. Where I live people are offering it roughly for somewhere between 150 and 250 euros. Would it be a good choice? That depends on what you expect from it.

Its OS won’t receive any more updates, part of its functionality (like the weather service) isn’t supported anymore and might even drain the battery if you use 3G (I use my 808 offline only).

Although you’d be buying into a “dead OS”, making calls with it won’t be a problem of course. Standby time is absolutely excellent (especially if you turn 3G off). And although it’s not as easy to share your shots, it’s not impossible – you could even choose to only use WiFi.

Nokia 808 PureView - Fish 19There are other advantages when choosing this “old” device (available since june 2012). The camera settings menu is still very rich and versatile, although you can’t manually change exposure time.

Its 16GB internal memory is extandable with a micro-SD (up to 64GB according to some, I use 32GB). It has HDMI out and supports USB-on-the-Go (both of which I never used in the years I worked with it).

It has a strong Xenon flash (stronger than the one on the 1020, the 1520 has a double LED). Pushing the “wake” button for a longer time will start a very strong flashlight too (which I used a lot!). You can actually exchange the battery of the Nokia 808 PureView, or even put a ridiculously large one in.

And I should not forget to mention that with the 808 PureView, Nokia introduced Rich Recording as well, another major innovation brought the the mobile industry (soon after eagerly “borrowed” by HTC). In the next video you’ll see how Rich Recoring handled the sound of the concert by Chic featuring Nile Rodgers – both with the Nokia Lumia 1020 and the 808 PureView…

But: one of the most converged mobile smartphone cameras ever realized, is now running on a more or less dead OS. On a side note: too many people blame Stephen Elop for this, but in my years running this club I heard from several trusted sources within Nokia that mr. Elop has been instrumental in getting the Nokia 808 PureView to the market. Nobody knew it existed and he could have killed the project altogether, but he didn’t. Just saying.

If you don’t care about the “dead OS” and you can live without 3G, if you would only need it as secondary phone if at all, if you just need a very good, more or less connected pocket camera that even makes calls, I guess you’re still pretty safe – although I’m not sure what Nokia service will be like when you buy a second hand 808 PureView.

Update: my remarks about the battery being drained as a result of services discontinued by Nokia (like the Weather service), are based on people sharing this problem publicly (like on Twitter). The solution mentioned was to turn 3G off. Meanwhile I’ve learned from others (over at AllAboutSymbian) this problem in fact doesn’t exist with the Nokia 808 PureView running on 3G. I’m sorry I put so much emphasis on this, since I now understand it doesn’t seem to be much of a problem at all. 

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Nokia Lumia 1020
The Lumia 1020 has a much larger and more sensitive screen (last Mobile World Congess I saw Sony demonstrating that you can now use their smartphone with gloves :-). I have a weak spot for big screens and I do prefer the Nokia Lumia 1020′s screen without a doubt over that of his predecessor.

The Nokia Lumia 1020 is the second Nokia PureView device with a 41MP sensor. The new sensor has a bit smaller size and hence bit smaller pixels than on the Nokia 808 PureView. To many ardent fans of the 808 here at the PureViewClub, it was physically impossible the Lumia 1020 could be better than its predecessor, and all my comparisons have shown that with its .JPG compression the Nokia 808 PureView has been hard to beat indeed.

But: the imaging team at Nokia has been working very hard on the software of the Lumia 1020, and after the update to Black, the Lumia 1020 even supports Raw .DNG – and I’ve shown on many occasions here what you can achieve with that!  I have to admit I’m still not much of a Raw .DNG user myself though. I noticed many more passionate mobile photographers more or less like to depend on the pre-installed .JPG output.

That’s why the built-in software is so extremely important, and we’ve seen major changes coming to the Nokia Lumia 1020 with the Black update, also apart from Raw support. Much better compression, much better colours and contrast – a much better JPG result in general. This isn’t new by the way – owners of the Nokia 808 PureView have seen major improvements coming with software updates.

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With Nokia Camera, you still choose an enormous amount of different settings to get the exact shot you’d like: white balance, distance, ISO, shutter time, exposure value – but there’s no seperate ND-filter and there still are no controls for sharpness, contrast, brightness and saturation.

At the time of writing 89% of the people reacting on the poll here think that it would be fantastic when Nokia would add those (you can still leave your vote, I think about closing it when it reaches 1020 votes :-) To be honest, I’m not sure if I would use these extra settings myself.

There’s one more fantastic advantage of using Nokia Camera on the Lumia 1020: it will enable you to capture two shots at the exact same time – one in 5MP and one in 34/38MP (depending on aspect ratio) – or Raw .DNG.

On the Nokia 808 PureView you always have to change the settings in between shots if you want the same scene in different resolutions. And although it’s easy to change the resolution and aspect ratio on the 808 (I still miss a 16:9 / 3:4 button in the screen of Nokia Camera) – it’s so much easier to be sure you get the exact same shot when you use the “double shots” option on the Nokia Lumia 1020.

And of course you can “play” with your shots in Nokia Camera: “Zoom Reinvented” is just one of the slogans Nokia has been using to promote the Lumia 1020 – it was a slogan that appeared to be completely absent during the Mobile World Congress (just like you wouldn’t find the word PureView anywhere there).

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To really use Zoom Reinvented you need to shoot in 5MP and 34/38MP (high-resolution). That will give you much more to work with, and you can really dig into the details of your shot (an app like SoZoom is using the high resolution result as well).

Or: you can “zoom out” again, since the high resolution shot will give you everything you thought you didn’t need when you zoomed in. That has proven to be extremely practical more than once for me. If you only make a 5MP shot, you can still adjust the horizon and crop your shot in different formats (1:1, 4:3, 3:2, 16:9).

I don’t think I have to explain the major advantages of the Lumia 1020 running on Windows Phone. The once limited Store is now piled up with all the apps you need. I can’t think of any I’m missing to be honest, in fact: I couldn’t think of one application missing at all – but I’m quite sure some dedicated apps you might know from Android or iOS isn’t there yet. So be it, I guess it will come in the near future.

There a quite a few different imaging apps in my collection as well, but I must admit that apart from a few like Pro Camera, I hardly have time to  give them all a try. Except of course for Nokia’s own imaging applications like Nokia Refocus and Nokia Smart Cam. Oh and and the funny Tiny Planets app I wrote about recently.

Also, the Nokia Lumia 1020 offers Rich Recording like the 808 PureView, but it adds Optical Image Stabilization Nokia introduced with the Lumia 920 – enabling you to make incredible shots under not so great or even dark circumstances. I’ll share this recent hand-held shot once again as an example of what it makes possible. Captured on a Sunday evening in Barcelona – can’t help but love this shot :-)

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The internal memory of the Nokia Lumia 1020 is 32GB and there’s no micro-SD slot. Last but not least, the Lumia 1020 supports NFC (“tap to share”) and wireless charging. I probably can even think of some more advantages (like it’s pretty light), but this will have to do for now.

If I had to choose between the Nokia 808 PureView or the Nokia Lumia 1020, choosing the last one would be a no brainer for me, really. But if you ONLY want it for the 41MP sensor (and Rich Recording), the 808 is still a very impressive device.

So the 808 could still be a good choice and most likely a cheaper alternative if you can get it, with a few imaging features you won’t (yet) find on the 1020, but also some things you might really miss, like OIS – enabling you to make hand-held shots like below – coming from the Nokia Lumia 1520, the third and most recent Nokia PureView flagship I’ll share my thoughts about in this post.

Nokia Lumia 1520

Nokia Lumia 1520
This is the device with which the Black update was premiered, but it didn’t just stand out for that. In a lot of respects this is Nokia’s best Windows Phone so far in term of specifications. It has got a whopping screen size and quality. Flying to Barcelona I’ve been looking at not much else than this fantastic screen, watching several videos I copied to the micro-SD – since yes, the Lumia 1520′s 32GB internal memory is expandable.

Also, it’s the first quad-core processor Nokia has ever used in a Windows Phone, so it’s blazing fast – although I must admit the 1020 doesn’t really strike me as being slow, let alone twice as slow as the 1520. The battery however is much more powerful so you will notice a difference in that respect. It has wireless chaging and NFC, just like you find on the 1020.

Update: I have to admit I simply forgot about the fact that the Nokia 808 PureView supports NFC as well.

Also, the OS is exactly the same, but the 1520 will show you more applications in your screen: six small tiles in a row if you wish, whereas the 1020 can’t show more than four. The amount of available applications is identical, but working with Office files will of course be much easier with the big screen of the 1520. This is really the smartphone to get work done with.

Some complain it isn’t “pocketable” and you “can’t use it with one hand”. Well, it is pocketable in the inside pocket of my jacket (which always proves to be very practical  like being able to put the little “hand cinema” away in the plane :-). It won’t fit your jeans, that’s for sure. But that goes for just about any other smartphone with a large screen (I do hate the word “phablet”).

The same goes for “not being able to use it with one hand” – that’s something Steve Jobs used to be really keen on: the size of the iPhone was “just perfect”. Look at it now.

Nokia Camera is exactly the same application on your 1520. The only important camera difference is – of course – the size of the sensor: 20MP, which means 19MP effective in 4:3 aspect ratio and 16MP shooting in 16:9. Do you notice that difference? Yes of course you do: the Lumia 1020 has a sensor twice this size, so no wonder. But still, the Lumia 1520 is capable of making some great shots with high quality, and it’s even easier to show them to others on the 6 inch screen.

Nokia Lumia 1520 - Muenster Dom - 5

Let’s not forget the Nokia Lumia 1520 was the first smartphone (in history) with camera software that supports Raw. DNG. So if you’re familiar with software like Photoshop, Lightroom or Glimp, you can get the very best out of its Raw output.

Are their other differences you should take into account when mobile photography is what you’re after? Well yes, I guess. The Lumia 1520 isn’t as easy to hold as the Lumia 1020 – in my opinion that is.

Its camera button is a bit thinner, which makes it less easy to get a good grip on with your index finger. Although the difference might be subtle, it’s there – but there’s always the software button of course.

The big screen will give you a great view on what you’re capturing, but the device does feel quite large for a camera and is sort of slippery (if you have the matte black or yellow version that is). I’d advise anyone getting the Lumia 1520 to buy the official cover as well.

There’s another subtle difference, concerning Rich Recording. The Nokia Lumia 1520 also offers “directional recording” I recently wrote about. Not only will it record extremely loud volumes without any distortion, it will even let you “hear what you see”. This means the audio recording will focus on the sound in front of the camera, muffling the sound in the back. Check the post I linked to, it’s another innovative recording technique – again: on a smartphone, mind you.

To conclude a small, but important difference: the Nokia Lumia 1520 works with the nano simcard, not the micro version we were all used to until now. Not sure why that was necessary in such a large device, but it’s the way it is. So now it’s easy to “make the switch” if you use an iPhone, but you can’t swap your simcard between your previous Lumia (or Android) and the 1520 if you would like that option :-)

If you made it ’till here, you’ve been reading well over 2000 words and I guess that’s all I have to share on this matter for now. I could have included the Nokia Lumia 920 as a very reasonably priced alternative, or the  Nokia Lumia 925 with its lovely design as well, but I hope you´ll understand I didn’t – it’s long enough as it is, right?

In short, if people ask me what’s the best PureView device at this moment, or what’s the very best smartphone camera in general, I guess you now know my answer. UpdateBut I’d like to emphasis that different from what I wrote before, there doesn’t seem to be a problem with the Nokia 808 PureView draining the battery on 3G – and it does support NFC as well :-)

But there may be several reasons to choose otherwise – ranging from “still great value for money” to “I need more than just a good shot on my smartphone”. Like I said: it all depends on your personal situation and preferences. Hope this helped, don’t hesitate to let me know below, share your own view or ask away if you still need to know more.

Ship - Nokia Lumia 1520 - 5MP

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42 Responses

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  2. henri

    Hi everybody,

    I’m planning to buy a 1020 but I think I have a kind of allergy to the fact there is no file explorer. How do you manage to survive guys? BTW, the main problem of my 808 is that sometimes (quite often unfortunately) when I “long press” the cameron button to start taking pictures, it takes 10 sec to be able to take a picture (it remains blocked)? Don’t you have this kind of problem? Thank you

    • MF

      I hardly ever used the file explorer even in my previous phone 808.

      Yes, the 808 can be quite laggy, in some cases it just hung and the camera wouldn’t start. No such issue with my 1020.

  3. steve

    I own and use the 808 every day. It can be frustrating some times with lag and unresponsive software but if your patient it will do more than any other Mobile os there’s just so few limitations with the symbian os. For someone who’s not into smart phones and apps and wants a really great phone with really great battery life and one of the best turn by turn maps. The 808 would be a great choice. The 808 camera is Incredible If you want the best photo of any smart phone or point and shoot or apsc or micro 4/3 dslr buy the 808 you won’t be disappointed. I just posted three photos taken with my gh2 at 28mm f stopped down for maximum sharpness all shot raw and edited in light room and the same photos taken with the 808 with very light editing in light room you will be shocked by the results. http://www.flickr.com/photos/90056083@N07/12916987324/in/photostream/

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Not shocked, I´m delighted by your shots, as with your contribution. It’s really good to see so many readers really love the old 808.

      It appears the team at Nokia really gave it all they had, and Symbian had, to make the most converged device on the planet back in 2012. To many, like you, it still appears to be their favourite device by far – just like I do still love it.

      Thing is, being asked to advise people what to get, in 2014 it just seems weird to advise a device that was running a dead OS at its launch. That didn’t stop me to start the PureViewClub either, but we’re almost two years later now – which is an eternity in the mobile space.

      So yes: I still do love the 808 PureView. I love the camera and the camera interface. And I wrote it could still be a good choice – putting too much emphasis on 3G possibly draining the battery, which doesn’t seem to be as much as a problem as I understood earlier.

      It all depends on where you put your personal preference. I still believe that for a modern smartphone, the 808 is definitely outdated. It’s out of production as well, and I have no idea what the Nokia service will be like when you buy one second hand (I do know people that had to swap their 808 for no less than three times).

      As “connected camera” however, you´ll have a hard time finding a device offering better picture quality. Thank you for your kind reaction!

  4. Irodov

    Will there be any more collaboration work ? Whats name of guy.. Some more raw comparisons would be enjoyed by me from pureviewclub..

  5. deadhead

    If you are talking strictly about photography, the 808 takes the crown.. those jpegs are really clean and they are very easy to manipulate during post process.

    Its much easier to get a good quality shot from the 808 than it is from the 1020. You can’t compensate for the difference in sensor size with anything else on the 1020, including the OIS. If you want proper low light photography you will need to use a tripod for both.

    The audio/video recording on the 808 is also superior, bar the stabilization.. especially in low light you can see that the 808′s oversampling works much better. Zooming is also smoother..

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Hi deadhead,
      I agree with you for most of what you write. I did buy a tripod even, but I hardly ever use or bring it. That’s one of the things I like about mobile photography, it all fits in your pocket.

      And speaking about low light photography, I don’t think I ever got a result like this from the 808 PureView http://tinyurl.com/nd46c9p.

      Not sure if audio really is superior though. I’ve noticed the difference – in my own recording of Chic featuring Nile Rodgers featured in this post – but the bass filter was on 100Hz, which might account for the difference. What Nokia has done with “directional audio” on the Lumia 1520 is simply stunning, too.

      Zooming is a lot smoother on the 808 PureView, that’s something Nokia still has to work on, just like “pre framing” your shot while shooting the video – that’s just perfect on the 808 (as well).

      It’s amazing how the 808 PureView still appears to have quite a few aspects to miss – and strive for.

  6. Dominick

    Hi Marc, I agree 1020 is the best usable camera phone right now. I own both devices and find my 808 laggy and unusable at times without the right apps. However, the camera on the 808 is still the best and I cannot agree when you said “best camera overall” on the 1020. Yes, the 1020 has OIS over the 808 but that doesn’t earn it the best camera title. I’ve used both devices and believe me when I say the 1020, having a much smaller sensor, looses out to the 808 at most times. Then again, it’s all subjective when it comes to preference and it depends on what you’re looking for. For me, Windows does not provide the apps I need and I still prefer a more power platform like Android. Therefor, my preference is 808 over 1020 + an android phone.

  7. Kurt

    Thanks for an informative and carefully considered article. Can see the advantages of all devices mentioned. I personally use an 808, but will keep my eyes on the 1020 (or its successor) as well as developments on Android phones. In the event that too many services become unavailable to the 808, I know one place that I’ll look to for replacement ideas! BTW, this old geezer thanks you for the “blast from the past” (concert video, above). The 808 has great sound for a tiny device with built-in mikes!

  8. Nikhil Joshi

    I just sold my 1020 cause most of the pictures I took from 808 would beat 1020 in terms of pure details and color. Even video might be stabilized on 1020 but I really liked the output which came from 808. Even the zoom is smoother and night time videos are more clear as 808 allows manual settings in video mode.

  9. Sid

    Main problem with both windoze phones(1020 and 1520) is that they are slower compared to 808 while taking photos.
    Sometimes camera app just crashes whereas shot to shot time is really slow most of the times.

  10. Navvarr

    I’m still using the Nokia 808 and I’ve no real plans to retire it for the foreseeable.
    I tried Windows phone and I never liked it at all- so changing to a Lumia just doesn’t interest me.
    I also bought a Google Nexus 7 thinking I’d use that for any modern apps / games I was missing out on and so far I’ve used it occasionally but always gravitate back to the 808 for most of what I do online.
    Fact is that for me the 808 / Symbian does everything I want a phone to do- I can get my 808 to do so much more than I can get a W8 phone or an Android phone to do- my daughter has the SG4- she loves it- but still, having played around with it – I still find it lacking in some areas.
    I’d miss my FM transmitter- use it all the time in my car to listen to music.
    I’d miss the simple drag and drop to transfer files- it so cumbersome using Zune to transfer photos and music.
    I’d miss HDMI out- so easy just to plug it into my TV.

    As for discontinued Weather app- just use Accuweather or Gismeteo, cweather or qoo weather- all of which are brilliant and offer transparent widgets too.

    My 808 is as much relevant today as it was two years ago.

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Preferences are personal. I didn’t mean to inspire anyone to leave their favorite device. Nothing wrong with the Nokia 808 PureView, I think I wrote that – but there are some limitations, which I think I described as well.

      Nevertheless, the days of Zune have gone (thank Heavens). You can now actually simply drag and drop your files to transfer from your PC to your Lumia and vice versa. I know it probably won’t change your mind, but it’s important information for those who still have to make up their mind.

      Thank you for your kind reaction.

    • AdamM

      I agree Navvarr. I only have an 808, and it does everything I need to do. It has the apps I need and the ability to share any photos quickly to flickr or facebook. And of course the camera still takes top quality images. The biggest downside for me is I can’t have multiple email exchange boxes setup.
      I’m not sure if it’s me or not, but I haven’t found an easier way to stream from my phone to my tv etc than my 808.

    • Mike Nichols

      Thank you for your tip about working weather widgets for the PV 808! I always thought GISMETEO was only for Russian cities, but now that I have installed it, it immediately recognized my home town and shows accurate weather conditions. I enjoy this old phone even more now besides taking many, many pictures with it!
      thanks and regards,
      Mike

  11. Givi

    808 still the king in term of photography . Lumia 1020 would be better if it had brightness , contrast , saturation , sharpness and more white balance options in it’s Pro Camera App . Do you have any clue if this is going to happen or not ? Cause I miss full control over 1020 as I was used to on 808 :(

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      I don’t really agree… Now that the Lumia 1020 is offering Raw .DNG I’m quite sure you can get more out of it’s result. The Nokia 808′s .JPG compression is very good though. And the Poll is still on this site, as you can see an overwhelming majority would like to see settings for brightness, contrast, saturation etc. I don’t know whether Nokia will follow up on it. And like I said – I’m not sure if I would ever use them myself.

      • Givi

        808 also has app Camera Pro which allowes capturing uncompressed photo . I used contrast and brightness almost in all shots . Sometimes more or less contrast gave better result , same with brightness . Sometimes I also used sharpness . Saturation +2 or +3 depending on scene . But the biggest thing I miss is white balance , 1020 has problems with it , without flash it has no problem , but when I engage flash there is yellowish tint all over the photo

  12. Junnior Reis

    In my opinion there is nothing to think about or even thinking too much… If my priority on a phone is excellence in digital photography , the choice is one, ie Nokia 808 PureView !

    In almost two years of their arrival in the market, has no other mobiles with better lenses, better and larger image sensor, more effective isp, flash brighter and better image quality… Through their firmware updates Nokia has managed to carry on his 808 a camera that borders on perfection at only 169 grams !

    1020 and 1520 are very good and versatile , but do not offer the same photographic quality of the 808 as well as its sensational ergonomics.

    Finally Marc and other fan boys of 1020, you will always claim that 1020 is the best choice because of the OIS and its photographic menu, flawed arguments , easily refuted, since it OIS and menu were indeed the decisive factors in sentencing who is the best cameraphone, S4 ZOOM would be the best cameraphone in the market because its OIS is as efficient as present in 1020 (3 Axis) and his photographic menu is much more complete offering beyond the control of exposure time, also control on the focal aperture, zoom, sharpness, contrast, saturation and so on.

    Simply put when it comes to image quality 808 PureView both in theory and also in practice is infinitely better than any other and in terms of OIS and versatile menu choice is only one S4 ZOOM, after all 1 or maximum 2 users 100 in 1020 owners use this Raw DNG in their day to day, the only substantial advantage the 1020 before 808 , S4 Zoom and other cameraphones.

    Here the evidence through facts and prizes because the 808 is the king:

    http://www.esato.com/phonephotos/index.php?uid=206975

    http://conversations.nokia.com/2012/03/01/best-of-show-nokia-wins-prestigious-mwc-award/

    http://www.tipa.com/english/award-details.php?iId=3167&sAward=Best%20Imaging+Innovation

    And matter closed !!!

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Hi Junnior, good to see you here again.

      I’m not sure if I like being called a “1020 fanboy” in my own club though. After all: I tried to start all the PureView passion from day one – with the 808 PureView, that is. Also, I did my utmost to write a balanced post describing the pros and cons of all three devices – you simply can’t accuse me of “fanboism”.

      And I’d like to add that both rewards you are referring to were published before the Lumia 1020 was launched.

    • MF

      Junior, what is your view of OIS in lowlight?

      A. I don’t need OIS because I always have my tripod with me.

      B. I don’t take lowlight pictures.

      C. I don’t need OIS because my hands are as solid as tripod.

      D. OIS has no effect on lowlight photography.

      E. OIS is not important because I am a 808 fanboy and my 808 does not have OIS.

      F. I don’t know what OIS does.

      So Junior, what is your answer?

  13. mike

    Marc, the ideal phone would be a compination of those three. High hardware specs like the lumia 1520, medium size 4,5-5 inch to be easier to be used as a phone/camera like the lumia 1020, great low light photography with high ISO, manual focus, shutter speed and OIS like the lumia pureviews, huge sensor and powerful xenon flash, with many camera options and features (nd filter, multiple customized sets, contrast, saturation and brightness) like the original 808 pureview and maybe an OS that is smooth and fast like the WP8, but is as beautiful and customizable as the Symbian belle!!! Am I asking too much??? :)

    Well, besides the OS, I think Nokia has the ability to create such a device. Maybe close to lumia Icon, but with a powerful camera and flash and a better camera software.

  14. Chani

    Thanks for the writeup, Marc. Another 41mp device is the only way to go for me :)

  15. MF

    I own an N8, 808, 920 and 1020. All these phones (except the 920) are natural progression in the Pureview imaging evolution and I’m very happy with the 1020 as it is. I plan to keep every phone long after I’ve stopped using them.

    At risk of pre-empting Marc, the Sony Z1 have decent cameras, but generally over-hyped and lacking in OIS. When the Z1 first launched it was pretty galling for them to commission a fudged and manipulated study to claim that it is the best camera-phone. With Sony (and to certain extent HTC) there’s always that extra marketing over-hype element that you need to beware of, and to apply considerable scepticism accordingly.

    • mike

      Well, I am a Nokia supporter for many reasons, innovations, design, durability, camera etc. Nokia has always had the best camera phones, but from the others I think only Sony has seriusely tried to create good cameras. And I think that Sony has managed to be No 2 in terms of camera quality. Of course marketing is a different story…

  16. chriss

    I got a 808 at release, and found the camera to be fantasic. But it was apparent that the only way to go was, buying a android/iphone as a daily driver.
    Decided on buying a xiaomi m2 32gb from china, think i paid £280 for it. Shortly after sold my 808 but missed it so much I bought one for £140(it had a damaged digitizer)
    Now with my 808 I use it as a camera and music player connected to my 2 nokia play 360s

    As for the xiaomi m2 super little phone, and i heard that they are currently making a version of the sailfish os for it so i cant wait to try that out.

  17. I own four PureView phones, black ans white 808, and yellow 1020 and 1520. I completely agree, but from practical photography I prefere the 1020 over the 808. My 1020 is an german o2 device with 64GB so I don’t muss a microSD. On the 1520, link with my 820, the microSD can’t ne used for Apps storage if main memory is filled. Just music, Video and offline map data can be stored there. For the 1020 I can’t believe that the developers didn’t include wireless charging in the main body. You have to buy a snap-on shell for wireless charging, then no protection cover does fit anymore, how stupid must one be for making this decision? 1520 is amazing fast, perfect readable screen. Some Apps could not be installed as they can not handle the screen resolution. For me there is also some painful change with Windows Phone 8: the limited access to media files. I often download Video tutorials for offline watching, perfect handled on 808 with Symbian OS. On WP8 if I received a Video file with bluetooth I can only watch it immeadetely after receiving, later I can’t find the Video anymore. When downloading on WP8 from Youtube, I have to usw the Download-App for offline watching, the Video file is not available with other Apps. So I mostly download vidros on my PC to store them on my phones for offline watching.

    Wolfgang

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Hi Wolfgang, I see we agree on the 1020. Lucky you to have 64GB storage! Not available where I live, but I do manage quite well with 32GB. I think they didn’t include wireless charging to save weight. In fact, I use the snap-on shell for wireless charging as protective cover as well. Works both ways in my opinion. I didn’t notice apps not installing because of the screen resolution – guess I don’t use enough apps. Also, your other remarks are new to me. Thanks for sharing!

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    Hey Marc
    Great informative write up, which is still leaving me confused about what to get, as you know I’m contemplating a Z1 compact. The Lumia 1520 is just to big for me, I have the 808 which is great but missing a few things that I really like about Nokia Pro Camera and some of the other associated apps. I have a Lumia 920 which I have not been impressed with, I have a blur down the left side of my photos and the battery has been a let down, after each recharge I have to restart the device or it will drain in a few hours. Iv been super curious about the 1020 but as it has the same hardware as the 920 I’m rather worried I end up with a similar problem. In a weeks time I’m in Dubai where I’ll buy my next phone before going home to South Africa and I really am struggling to decide.

    • Marc @PureViewClub

      Hi A,
      Personally I don’t have any problem with the 1020 “draining the battery” as fast as you describe. I do know of some that have experienced problems with it though, but I’d say it’s a minority.

      I haven’t heard of the problem since the update to Black, so maybe some readers may shed a light on that, sharing their experience as well (also sharing positive news about the 1020′s standby time would be appreciated). Anyway: my 1020 lasts a full day, at least.

      I’m testing the Z1 compact at the moment, going to compare its camera with that of the Nokia Lumia 1520 – both having a 20MP sensor. I’ll publish that comparison within a weeks time, so that should be in time to give you a general idea. I’ve been sharing quite a few shots coming from the Lumia 1020, 1520 and Z1 Compact a bit earlier by the way, please see my previous posts.

      In my mind there is no doubt however, that when the camera quality really matters to you, you hardly have any choice but the Lumia 1020.

      • Angie

        Hey Marc

        Thanks for the reply. I agree the 1020 is the way forward photographically. I look forward to hearing what more you have to say about the Z1 compact, although I will be surprised if it holds up well to the 1520… ill be waiting to see :-)

  19. Winsly

    ..the 808 PV is one-of-a-kind device, more of like “collector’s item” for a serious mobile photographer. Many people want to buy my phone, but my 808 will be with me forever. I have plans to get L1020 and 808 will be my secondary phone. :D

    • mike

      I totally agree with you, 808 is unique. But it is a bit slow for apps, internet etc, its battery could be much better, some apps and services don’t work anymore, others are difficult to find (although they released for symbian), so the need of a real successor remains.

    • Mike Nichols

      Agree and I would not sell my 808 either! A way of standing out of the crowds of iPhones and Galaxy’s, too, even if some people may consider using this thick brick as being old fashioned… As long as there is no worthy successor, I’ll keep using the 808 whose photo and video quality is still impressive after 2 years!